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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
fantastic design, i love it, i wouldnt even paint it, would just leave it as it is , but i am sure you have more good ideas coming
with paint you wouldnt even see that its wood.
the only thing that is disturbing, but thats just a philosophy difference, not critic, is that its lasercut and not hand cut.
handcut can never be done repeatedly with such precision. i think automatisation will kill the modding scene soon.
like i said, its a statement and philosophy, not critic, (before everone starts criticising my words again, just because i said what they dont want to hear)
i love your idea and design. well done mate..
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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
hey mate, no offense meant but here is my answer. i love CNCs but my philosophy says if you use them its the easy way out.I know that you don't like the CNC, but CNC can't create a case by itself-it can't design it or put all pieces together. CNC can't make you a modder-your ideas and how you make them real makes you a modder, isn't that right? CNC is just a tool like saw, pilar drill, dremel etc.
hey mate, no offense meant but here is my answer. i love CNCs but my philosophy says if you use them its the easy way out.I know that you don't like the CNC, but CNC can't create a case by itself-it can't design it or put all pieces together. CNC can't make you a modder-your ideas and how you make them real makes you a modder, isn't that right? CNC is just a tool like saw, pilar drill, dremel etc.
I hope this wont blow up into a big discussion again, folks here dont like me proving and laying down my arguments and points.
again, i didnt mean to de-value the work and design you have at all, i love it, as you said you had to design it and make it and have the idea etc.. i respect that more than you can imagine.
what i meant though was, if we take your example of dremel and saws and drill etc.. of course they are also tools, but they have to be guided and held stable and you dont loose that certain human touch because no two parts are the same. where as a CNC makes them one after eachother after you have designed and programmed them in. each one is asplitting image of the last, exact to the tenth of a millim. it looses the human touch at that point and makes our otherwise artistic creation an industrially manufactured piece of equipment.
its like a drum machine, always play the same sequence over and over again same dynamic and pressure on the snare and toms and base and cymbals, not like a real human drummer. each hit varies. of course for mass production thats ok, but i personally wouldnt want a sequencer playing the drums when i go to a rock concert.
I hope you understand what i am saying. your work is great and i love your design, cant say that enough. the CNC makes it look easy even though its not, and makes it look like a kit one can buy.
having said all that, i still wish i had a CNC, a 3d printer and waterjet..but not for my art..
anyway, what color will it have and whats the paintjob plan..
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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
yeah you are right but somehow every time i start one, someone gets their knickers in a twist,Why not to start discussion? This is forum,and forums are made for discussions.
But, if i look from your point of view-what about electric tools? That means that if you use non-power tools, your work is better than someone else's work made with power-tools. That is the same logic used in CNC>
Color that I am going to use if matte black. I am not 100 % sure should I use some red for details.
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Name: Patrick K.
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i just think they kill artists, and artists we are.
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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
hi pat, yes maybe i should, but i dont think many folks are interested in this subject. it just accidently came up here.PS: @Ali: What about opening a new thread for those interesting ethic discussions. I would be interested in the others opinions!
in my opinion the cnc is a great tool too. even more i would say its a world changing fantastic tool. am as you have hopefully recognised in now way discriminating the cnc users.In my opinion, the CNC is a useful tool, but think about what the feeling is, when you are finishing a mod or con. And you know how much work you had to finish it. There is a clear difference between designing parts in the CAD, and having them cut, or putting a lot of work and time in manufacturing them by yourself. I think it is a personal decision, but no need to descriminate modders who use automation (not that you do that Ali, only my opinion). So IMHO the CNC is not a bad tool, only a shortcut to get the result. Wether it is a good or bad way - I don't want to choose. But CNCs, 3D printers and those devices are probably things that modders use in 50 years in the manner we use the dremel today. Time will tell.
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Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
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Thats a big Problem! But not because one had the better tools or less time.Zitat
Von Alan-Lee
tell me honestly pat, if you were in a jury and had to give ten marks to each modder and you had 2xs the exact same mod,
one grill was made by mr.CNC perfect to the tenth of a mm, each
groove nook and cranny, and i mean 100s of them all made in 20 minutes
but perfectly symetric and great.
and on the other hand mr. do it myself moron, who used a saw or
similar tool where you know he took all day to get the same or at least a
good result, even though not all exactly the same.
who would you give more marks, perfection made by automation or
almost perfect made with sweat and blood in pain taking hours to achieve
the similar if not exactly same result.
who tried more or who produced better. am not talking about the
industry, lets even leave out art, am talking now specifically for
example just about contests and competitions and modder madness
challenges etc..
i hope for an answer to my question.
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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
and that my dear friend is exactly what i mean, that says it all. thats why i called this thread how much automation till its not art.However, I wouldn't use CNC to make a full case, like designing everything on a pc, milling it with a cnc and putting it all together isn't modding any more, it's industrial building.
But that's jm2c.
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Registrierungsdatum: 5. Oktober 2011
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Its not what we are talking about! Everybody can buy and put together parts! But to design somthing and use better Technik then anyone else is absolutly different! With a CNC or Laser (or whatever comes next!)You'll have to create a modell with every part like everybodey else. Its just like you said "The easy Way".Zitat
Von Alan-Lee
why mill everything, then you may as well do what they call montage modding in deutsch. just go and buy everything you need and stick it together.
At this point I'll have to agree with Alan.Zitat
Von Alan-Lee
@ all,
i have nothing against cnc machines and automation, but i just think
they should not be used when competing against each other. its not a
fair fight then.
its like shooting against someone who is just throwing stones.
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Registrierungsdatum: 26. Juli 2011
Name: Ali Abbas alias Alan-Lee
Wohnort: Schwabach
Beruf: Selfemployed in the IT sector
agreed, but what if he had a painting robot that automatically measured the distance to the case side being painted, regulated the airflow and paintflow and thus painted it great with that.But for an ordinary Workblog, why dont use helpfull tools? And like we see on the "Ares-Projekt" even a Laser-Cutter cant paint a case
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